What the anti-RH bill faction believes

READ BEFORE YOU COMMENT: I am a very strong supporter of the RH bill. This post is a list of the common reactions of people who are against the RH bill. The items listed below are not my views but are the views that have been expressed by those who are against the bill people. I can’t believe I still have to explain this.

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I just spent the past hour reading the discussions over at the I Support the RH Bill Facebook page and there are a few things I noticed about those who are against the RH bill.

    1. They tend to write in all caps.
    2. They tend to be the ones who start writing comments like, “Ahahaha, you have no reading comprehension skills” or “Ang bobo niyo naman”.
    3. Many of their arguments are primarily grounded on nothing more than religion and what the Bible says.
    4. They show no indication of having read the full text of the RH bill.

I also noticed that their arguments run along the same lines.

    1. “There’s no overpopulation problem, there’s a resource management problem.”
    2. “The RH bill promotes perversion, promiscuity, and immorality.”
    3. “The government will give out a number of condoms to families every week, and what if I have sex more than once a day? That means when the condoms run out, I’ll have sex without condoms and get my wife pregnant, so that means the RH bill has failed.”
    4. “The RH bill is fascist.”
    5. “What if Mary aborted Jesus? What if your mother aborted you, huh??”
    6. “Corruption is the real problem here, not our population. The U.S. has 300 million people, Japan has 127 million people, are they considered overpopulated? And they’re richer than us, too.”
    7. “We true Filipinos are moral, you want the country to become a den of sin and immorality.”
    8. “The poor don’t need condoms, they need food, money, and a way to make a living.”
    9. “Condoms and pills kill babies, because you’re preventing the creation of life.”
    10. “Countries that promote condom use have a high incidence of AIDS, so that means condoms aren’t effective.”
    11. “The government will force us to use condoms and pills and we’ll go to jail if we don’t obey.”
    12. New addition, June 15, 2011: “If people don’t want to have babies, they should refrain from having sex.”
    13. New addition, March 25, 2012: “OMG, if the RH bill passes, kids will start having seeeeex!”

In short, there’s no point in arguing with them, and they also seriously need to find arguments that aren’t based on so-called morality, religious outrage, or what a collaborative book from a couple millennia ago says.

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Edit: June 17, 2011. It’s interesting how some people will start out criticizing the bill for the corruption it will spawn, but ultimately fall back to being so-called guardians of sexual morality. As if anyone is qualified to definitively judge what is moral and what is not.

May 19, 2011 by Lynn
Categories: Hehe, WTF - 32 comments

Comments (32)

  1. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: “If we don’t protect freedom of speech, how will we know who the idiots are?” But what I truly want to say is that these people SHOULD have been aborted by their mother. Oh no! Did I just say that out loud?

  2. LOL! Sabagay, the more people mouth off, the easier it becomes to filter out the ones who aren’t worth listening to

  3. it is not enough that you read the RH bill. if you have read the RA Nos. 9262, 9710, 7610, 9208, etc.. you would realize that RH bill is only a superfluity. most of its provisions are already covered by existing laws and policies. however, its provision on contraception is indeed questionable because it clearly desecrates the purpose of the sexual act. when the population is convinced that unwanted pregnancies could be prevented through “modern” contraceptive method, many would freely engage in sex without the purpose of procreation. sex would be reduced to a recreational act or a biological need without a procreational purpose. if you don’t want to suffer the consequences of unprotected sex then simply don’t engage in sex at that particular time. the choice becomes very simple, effective and economical when made at the right time. sex education should not be focused on preventing untoward consequences of unprotected sexual act but on enlightening the people on properly preparing for it. prevention is always better than cure. the national policy should focus on prevention of improper sexual act rather than treating or preventing the consequences of improper sexual act. even if the government succeeds in preventing the consequences, the improper act was already executed. this is the primary opposition of the church.

    • Not all people think that procreation is the only reason for sex. It could be a recreational act for all we know. Whatever effort you exert, you cannot prevent everyone from having sex. Look back into history, men and women are sexually inclined even the priests for that matter. It’s impossible to prevent. The most that the government can do is promote safe sex, that’s it.

      You’re coming from the perspective of preventing sex while the rh bill comes from the perspective of preventing sex related illnesses and impacts so in that case, they are both for prevention and not a cure.

  4. I love idealistic people who believe others aren’t already having wild crazy sex even without the RH bill. I also love it when people think that people’s sexual activities can be regulated–by the law, of all things. It’s so adorably naïve.

  5. “RH Bill delay, 1000 die a day – RH bill Now na”
    “Sabi nya kung mahal ko sya dapat patunayan ko, pero handa naba ako? – Katleen 16YO” Wag natin silang ibalewala, RH bill ipasa, Ngayon Na.

    In our present condition where a family of five or seven, living in a shanty made of plastic garbage materials or anything that could cover them, squatting in the drainage alley, father without a permanent job and a mother who work as an extra vendor without any educational background, nursing a month old baby while pampering a two year old child on her lap, holding the other and hawking in an environment that competition for survival reign and her eldest daughter tempted by her boyfriend to test her love to him – under these whip of poverty hope and beauty cannot be express in this present face. In an honest examination, they are only victims of society’s materialistic demand under the wings of Corruptions, Selfishness of others, Government’s Mismanagement, Injustice, illiteracy and unequal distribution of resources – all might opine that they really need a messiah. Now, RH Bill finds these as legs to rally and rekindle the flickering light of hope of all oppress women. The long awaited Saga with a commanding voice coming from deities, whose powers cannot be hinder by anyone and anyone who oppose for this so called godly bill is no other than “anti-reason”.

    But how does this Hero solve these problems? One solution is – Artificial Contraceptive pills! Antipathy over life is the crux of this bill! (Ok, some would say the bill talks also about health and reproductive care, yes but that is only a mask and it is useless to discuss it since we have existing laws that comprehensively tackle those issues.)

    It is an anti-woman’s welfare contrary to those who believe it is. Contraceptive pills in any way cannot and will never help women in any angle as propose by this godly bill hidden in an angelic tone with diabolic spirit.

    Since we focus only to the main sword use by this bill, one from many strong arguments laid by those who oppose this bill is the Contraceptive pills’ deadly effects like Cancer (check the latest clinical studies and other medical journal thru web). You don’t have to make an equation to find-out who will be the victim – of course not the male partner. Ridiculous to say this bill coined it as “Essential Medicine”. Maybe essential if you want to have a cancer so I will coin it as “death candies”.

    These “death candies” not only causing cancer among women, but also reduce the role of a woman into a concept of “mere object”. As if returning to an era where woman whose right depends’ to man discretion. Mere object that can be own, can be purchase and after using it according to the product of fantasy – you can trash it. We are already far beyond this primitive notion, what we want is equality of rights in a most civilized society (women’s rights advocate). To treat them with respect, accept them as a whole and get what they deserve – a true women’s welfare.

    Contradictory on what woman really deserve, the current world sees women as a big threat to progress, threat that needed to address needed to suppress (from Europe’s antiquities to WWII holocaust discrimination towards women are clearly manifested – “If the child is female, let her die” Spartan letter to his wife; Angel of Death (Josef Mengele) made an experiment on women (sterile) in a concentration camp that lead to holocaust). In a latest news, some Chinese physician are practicing gender selection wherein abort if it is a female fetus. We can see in history how the world discriminate female, go to pharmacy around the globe and you will find thousands upon thousands brand of contraceptive pills, sterile drugs etc. all design to suppress women nature to reproduce with a deadly effect compare to drugs design for counterpart gender (maybe they don’t bother about the effect since all they want is to address male dominant gender sexual drive). What about Condom? Yes created again to address male dominant gender sexual drive. One day we come to an age were contraceptive will go beyond its purpose (temporarily infertile) – go beyond the point without ethical ground like race selection, alter the fruits of the womb etc.

    But it’s a choice of woman to take pills? Taking contraceptive pills is only a responsorial to dominant gender’s actuate, a female partner would not dare to take this pills without the pressure from male partner who’s always on demand for physical sensation – body at rest remain at rest. Some might argue that it is part of marital vow, yes I agree – a commitment of putting themselves totally to one another. Be aware of the word “Commitment” and “Totally”, to make it simple in Mang.Pedro’s Farm a hen and pig was chatting about how generous Mang.Pedro to them, so they decided to give him a good breakfast, the hen suggests “Bacon and Egg” but the pig reply, for you this is only a sensation but for me its a total commitment. So it’s unfair for a female partner to sacrifice her life under the pain of cancer while her male partner is more on sensation not to a total commitment.

    So how can we bridge the gap on marital vow without sacrificing the proper spacing in the family? You are a woman regardless what social status you belong (“The right of the mother in the lowest social class is equal to the right of the mother in the highest social class. – Sen.Defensor) so in other words insist your Right to say NO. Abstinence (of a male partner) is a true respect to woman’s welfare – real respect to woman’s right. Marital vow ground on wanting a person not a body, wanting a respect on dignity not on sensation and no to discrimination and insisting gender dominancy.

    Some may sing a song with the same lyrics that this bill will ensure the mother’s pregnancies would occur in healthy circumstances, does Abstinence has different result?

    Lastly, some of poets argue that RH bill is outside the ordinary prose it is a poetry whose main purpose is a holistic approach in disseminating information so they can choose among it, whether she likes to exercise her right or not she has an options. It’s a big NO, it will only weaken woman’s innate rights to say “No” to her partner, and those options cited in the bill will support and legitimize man’s dominancy, as if the bill tried to inculcate that if a male partner violate your innate right you have other options (with deadly effects).

    RH bill is only just a few lines from lyrics of anti-women agenda around the world. It is an angel of death under the cloth of a hero shouting on the top of the voice as “Pro-woman’s welfare”.

    Craft a bill that empowers family as a building unit of society. That is what the constitution mandate. We don’t need RH bill.

    c.pio

      • lol bigot and moron maybe some did not attain even high school level.

        • So said the person who did nothing else but post the same comment in other sites.

          • unless there are strong argument that can refute the statement.
            to date, till now no one can rebutt and give a sound reason to those fact.

            if you may, you can try to post an argument.

          • secondly, those anti-rh bill are not confined with morality argument as you claim.
            even right equality like my statement.

          • unless one can refute my statement i won’t not stop to re-post it.
            try to make a sound arguments on my statement.

            • hi c.pio i love you i want to have sex with you if you want?if you want i will be a pro-rh bill………

        • same comment since no one can refute the arguments.
          make a sound argument to rebutt it.
          not all anti-rh bill confined only to morality arguments even rights equality.
          make a debate? tnx

    • On my viewpoint, you make readers think that women are dumb and don’t have a choice and always a member of the bandwagon. It is not always the case that women take pills as a response to men’s pressure. I’ve seen women taking those because they want it. Because they enjoy intercourse and they don’t want to have babies. Sexual intercourse is for both men and women to enjoy, we already live in a society where women enjoys sex and not treated as mere objects of pleasure. What they need is knowledge of the options they have and the risks of every option they are going to take.

      The statement of contraceptive pills leading to death or cancer is not yet globally accepted. Even if it is published in journals and latest clinical researches it must be proven and accepted by the World Health Organization as a fact. It must be already in the headlines that they are dangerous and could lead to cancer. Only then it could result to banning and “pullouts” as demanded by our food and drug regulators. Until that day happens, contraceptive pills should be considered as safe. Not to mention, nowadays, it seems that “everything” leads to cancer. Think about it.

      I am not against or pro the bill but I wanted to see both sides on the table. I wanted to be more educated in the situation so that I could have a better perspective as to why we need and don’t need this bill. My approach is being skeptical to what was said. If you came from a pro-rh bill perspective my comments would have been entirely different.

      • Kaya nga nang-troll yung si c.pio sa post na ‘to dahil pro-RH bill ako eh, tapos sasabihin mong hindi pro-RH bill ang perspective ko. Whuuuut.

        I encourage you to reread the post. I would like to direct your attention to this particularly telling part of my post, which says, “I’m sure people are smart enough to notice that I’m fiercely pro-RH bill, however”, and I also invite you to understand that this post was an enumeration of the silly arguments made by the people who are against the RH bill. Do have a look here and here as well.

    • Thank you for sharing your insights. We share the same sentiments. The RH Bill masks the underlying principles of sexual abuse. Moreover, do we really want to be like other countries? “It’s okay to do it, as long as you don’t get pregnant or you don’t get infected..” The better way would be to increase respect of the opposite sex amongst our youth.. The sexual urge is a God-given desire. With the media feeding this urge, the desire turns into lust. Lust cannot wait, cannot have enough, cannot be satisfied. Wouldn’t we rather have true satisfaction that reflects the gift that it truly is? Wouldn’t it make more sense to put our whole heart and efforts into making sure our children, ladies and the coming generations enjoy sex freely in a truly selfless marriage and not tempt them to experiment or test the waters with selfish men who want to take advantage of them?

  6. Education is the key. All institutions of the society must work hand in hand together and not fight against each other. RH Bill is not promoting sex. Children knows about sexual intercourse but talk about it discreetly which is scary. For the church, they should not worry about the morality of the people if in the first place, they are very confident that they have done their part of making their own people moral. A person who has clear values will not be carried away easily by any temptations.

    • Thank you so much, meldz. I completely agree with you on all points, especially about kids talking about sex. With or without the RH bill, kids will talk about it, and young people and unmarried ones will still do it.

  7. this article is a fallacy, ad hominem. keep your argements about the bill not the people.

  8. what’s wrong with argument #12?
    although i do think the other arguments are wrong or unsecular or too slippery-slope-y.

  9. What is in this bill that is not covered by other bills?

    • Read the RH bill and you’ll know. It’s tiring to explain the contents of the RH bill to people who didn’t read it and are just prepared to criticize it because they think it’s all about immorality.

  10. u know lynn, that is ur problem u are not educated by any teachings in the church and now ur trying to insinuate the people to believe in you? u not even interested with what is the teachings of the church. now assess ur self closely if u have really integrated these following:

    Age-appropriate Reproductive Health and Sexuality Education shall be integrated in all relevant subjects and shall include, but not limited to, the following topics:
    (a) Values formation;
    (b) Knowledge and skills in self protection against discrimination, sexual violence and abuse, and teen pregnancy;
    (c) Physical, social and emotional changes in adolescents;
    (d) Children’s and women’s rights;
    (e) Fertility awareness;
    (f) STD, HIV and AIDS;
    (g) Population and development;
    (h) Responsible relationship;
    (i) Family planning methods;
    (j) Proscription and hazards of abortion;
    (k) Gender and development; and
    (l) Responsible parenthood.

    • wail, I am pleased to note that you have managed to learn enough of the alphabet to make it to the letter L. Did they teach you the rest of it (hint: the last letter is Z).

      In fact I notice you are already using one of the letters, but not quite correctly: U = you. If U keep on doing that Ur teachers will laugh at U and make U cry boo hoo

  11. In short, there’s no point in arguing with them, and they also seriously need to find arguments that aren’t based on so-called morality, religious outrage, or what a collaborative book from a couple millennia ago says.

    what are u trying to say then?
    haven’t u learned any logical logical course in your college..?
    people like u should not be entertained for u are just an idiot!

  12. what if rh bill will be pass is it important to us to have that manner that we must do the governments will? shut up your mouth c.pio…….

  13. Huhu nosebleed. Magtalog naman kayo. Sensya na, bubu lang.

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